Demê we baş be. Good day to you.
Temaşevanên me yên hêja, temaşevanên me yên delal. Our esteemed viewers, our dear viewers.
Îro... Today...
Bi xelekek nû ji bernameya Gundên Welat... With a new episode of the Villages of the Homeland program...
Em amade bûne li cem Hecî Ahmedê me. We are present here with our Haci Ahmed.
Û îro em li herêma Çiyayê Kurmênc in, li navçeya Şiyê, And today we are in the Kurd Dagh region, in the Shiye district,
Û bi taybet gundê Çeqela Ortê. And specifically the village of Middle Çeqel.
Ev gund ji sê beşan pêk tê: This village consists of three parts:
Çeqela Jorîn, Çeqela Ortê, û Çeqela Jêrîn. Upper Çeqel, Middle Çeqel, and Lower Çeqel.
Lê niha em li gundê Çeqela Ortê ne. But now we are in the village of Middle Çeqel.
Ji ber ku ev gundekî kevnar e û gelekî mezin e. Because this is an ancient and very large village.
Ji Çeqelên din meztir e. It's bigger than the other Çeqels.
Bi me re bimînin û li me temaşe bikin. Stay with us and watch us.
Belê, temaşevanên me yên hêja. Yes, our esteemed viewers.
Niha em di navenda gundê Çeqela ne, Now we are in the center of Çeqel village,
Û bi taybet em li mala muxtêr in, ev mala muxtarê kevn e. And specifically we are at the mukhtar's house, this is the old mukhtar's house.
Dibêjin ku ev yek ji malên kevnar e. They say this is one of the ancient houses.
Yanî ku li gund heye, dibêjin di sala 1920'an de hatiye avakirin. I mean in the village, they say it was built in 1920.
Niha mamoste bi me re heye, Now we have a teacher with us,
Em ê behsa dîroka gund bikin bi qasî wî, We will talk about the history of the village with him,
Wê ji me re ser gund û kengî ava bûye bêje. He will tell us about the village and when it was built.
Merheba mamoste. Hello teacher.
Merheba, ehlen weselen. Hello, welcome.
Em te nas bikin destpêkê. Let's get to know you first.
Ehlen weselen ji qenata Welat îro. Welcome to the Welat channel today.
Ji temaşevanan tev re û ji kesên beşdar û kesên me dipirsin. To all viewers and from participants and those asking about us.
Ser çavan. Em dixwazin tu ji me re hinekî behsa dîrokî gund bikî. You are welcome. We want you to tell us a bit about the history of the village.
Gundê we... em kê zanibin di kîjan salê de û berî çend salan hatiye avakirin. Your village... let's know in what year and how many years ago it was built.
Temam. Okay.
Em li Çeqela Ortê ne. Em malbata Mihemedê Betal ê Elo ne. We are in Middle Çeqel. We are the family of Mihemedê Betal ê Elo.
Ev gund ne kêmtirî pêncsed sal, çarsed sal ra hatiye avakirin. This village was built no less than five hundred years, four hundred years ago.
Destpêkê vî gundî ji du malbatan hatiye avakirin. Initially, this village was built by two families.
Malbatek vir de mala Eşbûk e, malbate din jî vir de mala Haco ye. One family here is the Eşbûk family, the other family here is the Haco family.
Zewac di navbera van du malbatan de çêbû. Marriage took place between these two families.
Mala Haco bûkek ji mala Eşbûkê birin û jiyana vê gundî dest pê kir. The Haco family took a bride from the Eşbûk family and the life of this village began.
Kesên din hatin li derê hazir bûn û dor... Other people came and were present around...
Ji dor gundên din hatin e, hazir bûn e di van zêrifan de. They came from other surrounding villages, they were present in these circumstances.
Ew jî hatin e li vî gundî bi me re dijîn û em bi hevd re dijîn. They also came to this village, living with us and we live together.
Û em gelekî îtibarekî didin aîleyan. And we give a lot of respect to the families.
Û mabeyna me de pir xweş e, gund bi silametî derbaz dibe û eyb nin e. And between us it's very pleasant, the village passes its time safely and there is no shame.
Pirsekî min heye. Niha... tu tiştek balê min kişand. I have a question. Now... something caught my attention.
Te digot ku destpêkê de ew in li vir derê ne. You said that in the beginning they were the ones here.
Yanî ewên ji gundên din nehatin e gund. I mean those from other villages didn't come to the village.
Malbatên vir ê vir in destpêkê de? The families here are originally from here?
Temam. Li gor dîrokê û li gor mezinên me ji me re digotin... Okay. According to history and what our elders told us...
Em ji tu gund... em ji tu gundê xêrî vî gundî nehatin e. We are from no village... we did not come from any village other than this one.
Em li vî gundî ji kalbavan de rûniştin e. We have lived in this village since our ancestors.
Ji kalbavan de. From our ancestors.
Û em çima rûniştin vir derê? Berî... berî zeytûn e û erd e û milk e, And why did we settle here? Before... before olives and land and property,
Berê xelkê îtîmad ser pez dikir. Before, people relied on sheep.
Çima ev gund hatin rûniştin? Li gundê jorîn hatin rûniştin, Why did this village come to settle? They settled in the upper village,
Li vî gundî, li jêrî gund... li jêrî gundê Çeqela Ortê... In this village, below the village... below the village of Middle Çeqel...
Bîrek heye, bîrek romanî ye. Av tê de hebûye. There is a well, a Roman well. It had water back in the day.
Xelkê diçû dewarên xwe, pezê xwe, darên xwe, li ser wê bîrê av didan. People used to go water their cattle, their sheep, their trees at that well.
Û hatin li derdorê wê bi gund va li vî derî şên kirin. And they came around it and populated it as a village in this area.
Gundê jorîn, Çeqela Jorîn, li wir jî bîrek heye, derket... The upper village, Upper Çeqel, there is also a well there, it turned out...
Xwedanê gund li wê derê mala Mamo, pê hesîn, The owners of the village there, the Mamo family, they noticed it,
Pez diçû derê ser golekî avê te... tîm riya nêrî şil e. The sheep would go there to a pool of water... the path of the male goat was always wet.
Mala Mamo pê xistin, sekinîn, av li derê heye, golek heye. The Mamo family followed it, they stopped, there is water there, there is a pool.
Îtîmad kirin pezê xwe dîtin li wir derê, gund li wir derê şên kirin. They relied on it, saw their sheep there, and populated the village there.
Çeqela Jêrîn, em ji vî gundî ne, em yek in, Lower Çeqel, we are from this village, we are one,
Ew ketin gundê Çeqela Jêrîn, kalikê bavê kalikê me got They went down to Lower Çeqel, the grandfather of the father of our grandfather said
Eke em di cem qeçikê xalê xwe, û li wê derê jî... If we are next to our maternal uncle's girls, and over there too...
Erd mezin bûn, nêzîk bûn, dûr bûn, em çûn li wir derê rûniştin. The lands were large, near, far, we went and settled there.
Em bi eslê xwe ji vî gundî ne em çûn li wir derê. We are originally from this village, we went there.
Û li wê derê, malek hebû, wê derî mala Korbilo... And over there, there was a house, over there the Korbilo family...
Mala Korbilo, ew na jî, gund di nav de rûniştî bûn berî me. The Korbilo family, they too, had settled in the village before us.
Em çûn cem wan in, em qeçkên xalê xalê ne. We went to them, we are the girls of the uncle of the uncle.
Em bi hev re dijîn. Me pez mezin e, me hebû. We live together. Our flock is large, we had it.
Kalikê min Xizna, pêş da dikir, pez sê neqlo ji gişt hezar e. My grandfather Xizna, was leading, the sheep in three flocks, total a thousand.
Kalikê min sê neqlo serî pez hezar berdan. My grandfather released a thousand sheep in three flocks.
Ji cem kurmancan jî... bê te serî hezarî ber da, me'neya xwe heye. From the Kurds' perspective too... if you released a thousand head, it has its meaning.
Ew gul me ne, ez nizanim bê çiye ew e. They are our roses, I don't know what that is.
Niha Çeqel e... me got Çeqel e sê parçe ye. Now Çeqel... we said Çeqel is three parts.
Ê jorîn heye, ê jêrîn heye û ê ortê heye. There is an upper one, there is a lower one, and there is a middle one.
Kîjanê kevnar e? Which one is the oldest?
Ev yek kevn e? Is this one the oldest?
Temam. Ji vê herêmê ê tev kevn, li vê derê Çeqela Ortê ye. Okay. From this region, the oldest of all, is here Çeqela Ortê.
Xêr e, yanî şikeftên gund de hene. It's a blessing, I mean there are caves in the village.
Şikeft in... ne kêmtirî sê şikeft di gund de hene, xelkê di şikeftan de dijî. Caves... there are no less than three caves in the village, people lived in the caves.
Û berî vê derê... li jêrî gundî... Çeqela Ortê, sê şikeft hene di qeracî mala Eswed de ne. And before here... below the village... Çeqela Ortê, there are three caves in the rocky terrain of the Eswed family.
Li rêz hatine, kolane, û kolanê gund e jî yanî... They are lined up, dug out, and it's the village lane too, I mean...
Bi rêk û pêk e. It's orderly and well-arranged.
Xelk li vir dijiyan. Li vir derê hatin e, ketin şikeftan li vir derê. People lived here. They came here, went into the caves here.
Paşê mal hatin avakirin, avakirin. Then houses came to be built, built.
Haya niha şikeft hene? Are there caves up to now?
Haya niha şikeft hene, û bas... There are caves up to now, and just...
Xelk pezî xwe dikinê. Xelk dewêrî xwe bi qerar dikinê. People put their sheep in them. People put their cattle in them regularly.
Wekî berê çêdikirin... Like they used to do...
Wekî berê... Bas ti wan îtîmad kir ser... ser şikeftan. Like before... They just relied on... on the caves.
Û gund şên kirin û dest pê kirin. And they populated the village and started.
Û ji gundê dîtir me jî hatin Çeqelê rûniştin. And from the other village we also came and settled in Çeqel.
Hatin û 'alaqetê me bi hev re pir rind in û em pê nehesîn... They came and our relations with each other are very good and we didn't feel...
Em bi kesî bi kesî ve nehesîn in. We didn't feel any difference with anyone.
Hemî mirovên... xwediyê gundan e. Everyone is... owners of the villages.
Di muhasileyê... Kurd in. In summary... they are Kurds.
Û kesî... te... di miletek din... berê... di nav de nîne. And no one... you... from another nation... before... is among them.
Me îhtîramekî şedîd ji birayên me yên Ereb re, We have deep respect for our Arab brothers,
Me îhtîramekî şedîd ji birayên me yên Tirk re. We have deep respect for our Turkish brothers.
Lê gund ser û bin... Kurd e. But the village from top to bottom... is Kurd.
Ji kalbavan da. From the ancestors.
Niha em behsa du tiştan bikin. Now let's talk about two things.
Destpêkê vê hewşê te li ser deng kir, First, this courtyard you talked about,
Te got ev muxtar bû, em ê vê meseleyê vê hewşê bizanibin, You said this was the mukhtar, we want to know the story of this courtyard,
Paşê em herin ser darê, em niha ji hewşê dest pê bikin. Then we will go to the tree, let's start from the courtyard now.
Temam. Okay.
Vê hewşê berê... fireh bû. This courtyard before... was spacious.
Pir fireh bû, xanî mezin bû. It was very spacious, the house was big.
Kalikê me Mihemedê Selmo ji vî... cî rûniştibû, mala... Our grandfather Mihemedê Selmo sat in this... place, the house of...
Mala Bekrî Heyder ev jî muxtarê gund bûn. The house of Bekrî Heyder, they were also the mukhtars of the village.
Berî hewşê yek bû. Before, the courtyard was one.
Vê xanî jî... Kurmanc dibêjin xanî ser du qenterma. This house too... Kurds say a house on two arches.
Di cem me... xanî li ser pirtirî di qenterma bû. For us... the house was on more than two arches.
Û heta nika eserên wî hene. And up to now, its traces are there.
Belkî nika hûn derbaz bin... birayê min wî... bîraderî min... pismamê min... Maybe now you pass by... my brother... my comrade... my cousin...
Li wê derê darlûq heye... There are wooden roof beams there...
Ev xanî... darlûqê reş û giran e, lenî xanî mezin bû, This house... the roof beams are black and heavy, because the house was big,
Me'nê wî carke dest nedikişandin ew ranedibûn, Meaning they couldn't just lift it, they couldn't stand,
Me'nê dulûp nekirine wê xanî. Meaning they didn't make two loops for that house.
Haliyen tişt heye. Currently there is something.
Û ev hewş e kevn e. And this courtyard is old.
Ne kêmtirî sê çarsed sal e. It's not less than three to four hundred years.
Û ê li vê hewşê di jiyan... neviyê... neviyê kalikê me bû, And those who lived in this courtyard... was the grandson... the grandson of our grandfather,
Mihemedê pismamê... kalkê me bû. Mihemed, the cousin of... our grandfather.
Muxtarê gund bû. He was the mukhtar of the village.
Ji sala hazaran... berî hukumetî Sûriyê çêbe, From the thousands... before the Syrian government was formed,
Yanî sala 1927'an û duduya hikumetî Sûriyê çêbe, 'Elî 'Abîd Serokomar e Sûriyê bû. I mean in the year 1927 and two, the Syrian government was formed, Ali Abid was the President of Syria.
Berî wê jî... apê me Betal, Betal ê Elo... Before that too... our uncle Betal, Betal ê Elo...
Muxtarê gund bû. Was the mukhtar of the village.
Yanî di Firansa de... li vir derê... berî Sûriye serxwebûna xwe bigire... Belê. I mean during France... here... before Syria got its independence... Yes.
Li vir derê bû. He was here.
Û kalkê min, Reşê Hisek, ev jî muxtarê Çeqela Jêrîn bû. And my grandfather, Reşê Hisek, he was also the mukhtar of Lower Çeqel.
Sala 1927'an heta 72'an. From 1927 until '72.
Û berî kalkê min Reşê Hisek... apê min hebû vir derê gotin: Hemê Hisek. And before my grandfather Reşê Hisek... I had an uncle here they called: Hemê Hisek.
Ev jî muxtarê gund bû dewe pênc sal e û kalkê min pêncî sal e muxtarê gund bû. He was also the mukhtar of the village for about five years and my grandfather was the mukhtar for fifty years.
Û niha jî qeder e ew kir... ez û pismamê xwe Necîb, em her du yek muxtarê Çeqela Jêrîn, yek jî muxtarê Çeqela Jorîn. And now destiny made it so... me and my cousin Necîb, we both, one is the mukhtar of Lower Çeqel, one is the mukhtar of Upper Çeqel.
Niha em werin ser darê. Now let's come to the tree.
Te behs ser darê dikir, te got meselokî wê darê heye û ev dara kevn e. You were talking about the tree, you said there is a story about that tree and this tree is old.
Dixwazim hinekî behsa darê bikî ji me ra. I want you to tell us a little bit about the tree.
Temam. Okay.
Vê darê... yanî diçandina vê darê... kes nizane. This tree... I mean the planting of this tree... no one knows.
Bes dibêjin çî... Betalê Elo evê muxtarê gund di vê malê de... But they say what... Betalê Elo, this mukhtar of the village in this house...
Digu... bavikê min digot: He said... my grandfather used to say:
Hêlka te li vê darê de danîbû, ez wê wextê hêlkê dadam... Your cradle was placed on this tree, when I was placing the cradle...
Îzan, dar mezin e. So, the tree is big.
Emrê... emrê vê tiştî ne kêmtirî 400 sal e. The age... the age of this thing is not less than 400 years.
Kê pirsekî wî de got? Who asked him the question?
Betalê Elo, muxtarê gund bû, bi qeçikê xwe re digot... Betalê Elo, he was the mukhtar of the village, he was saying to his child...
Hêlka min, wextê ez çûçik... di vê darê de te hatî danîn. My cradle, when I was little... was placed on this tree.
Ew bital weya te gotiye muxtarî kevn e. That Bital you mentioned is the old mukhtar.
Muxtarê kevn e. Belê. The old mukhtar. Yes.
Wî digot... hêlka min li vê darê hatiye danîn. He used to say... my cradle was placed on this tree.
Dar jî... pir mezin e. The tree too... is very big.
Bes netîce ewa amelî cewî ne... But the result is the weather conditions...
Hinekî işt e... riziye, dar bûye. Lê... It's a bit like... it rotted, became wood. But...
Lê yanî em remziyeka xwe heye. Di gund gelek de remziyek xwe heye. But I mean we have our symbolism. In the village it has a lot of symbolism.
Û dar e, darî tiyan e... yanî bi Kurmancî... dar bi şiklekî 'am... em ji darê hez dikin, darê ber em diçînin nişan didin, hez dikin. And it's a tree, a fig tree... I mean in Kurdish... trees in general... we like trees, we plant fruit trees and show them, we like them.
Û di vê malê de jî tehdîden, And in this house specifically,
Yanî em hîn caran tên di xusûsan qehwêkî vedixwin, em dibêjin hey em kê herin bin dara... I mean we still sometimes come especially to drink coffee, we say hey, let's go under the tree of...
Kilkê kalbavê xwe rûnin. Let's sit at the roots of our ancestors.
Û tiştên kevn hez dikin, heta niha tiştên turasî em dibêjin... And they like old things, even now traditional things we say...
Tab'en. Ê kevnê xwe tune, a nûyê xwe jî tune. Of course. The one who has no past, has no future either.
Way e. Exactly.
Ê kevnê xwe tune, a nûyê xwe jî tune. The one who has no past, has no future either.
Niha pir... gund... em çûn e, Now very... village... we went,
Ku em li hewşên kevn dîsa te den... amana berê heta di gundan de hewşên axî hebûn, When we see the old courtyards again you notice... like before, even in the villages there were earthen courtyards,
Wekî te gotî qenterma hebû. Like you said there were arches.
Niha em darîn gişt ha cer kirine. Now we see they have turned them all into stone.
Telbîs kirine. Wekî vê leçek kirine. They have covered them. They made it like a scarf.
Ê ez dibînim na tu li vî gundî wî tişta ti nine. Well I see no, in this village there is no such thing.
Li vê hewşê... In this courtyard...
Parastina kelepûra gundê we tê da çi ye? How do you preserve the heritage in your village?
Gund... Gund bi giştî îtîmad kêm e, li ser ziraetê ye, li ser zeytûnan e, li ser darên fêkî ye, li ser zeytûnan e, ev der e... The village... The village generally depends on agriculture, on olives, on fruit trees, on olives here...
Û xwedîkirina pez ji berê de pir kêm di nav gund de heye, ne wilo ye. And keeping sheep in the village has been very rare since the past, it's not like that.
Gund tebîî debara jiyana wî... îtîmad li ser zeytûn û daran tê kirin. The village naturally makes a living... depending on olives and trees.
Û yanî, ne avakirina xaniyekî re, ne edetên me, me zêde girêdayî bi halê şaristanî ve ne... And I mean, neither in building houses nor in our customs, are we overly attached to urban lifestyles...
Yanî em dixwazin em tora xwe biparêzin, na. Ew digere li gorî îmkaniyatan e. I mean, it's not that we are actively trying to preserve our heritage. It depends on the capabilities.
Lê yê ku kanibe meselen tiştekî weha bike, dê bike. Çi gundê jêrîn, çi gundê jorîn, yanî... But whoever can do something like that, will do it. Whether it's the lower village or the upper village...
Dê çêkin. Yê ku kanibe xizmetekî, îmkaniyatekê bike... They will do it. Whoever can provide a service, or an opportunity...
Lê em nabînin ku kevnariya me wextê hebe, em ji ber xwe ve red bikin, na. But we don't think that if our antiquity exists, we should willingly discard it, no.
Ez dibînim, kevnariya me fexrek e. I see our antiquity as a matter of pride.
Û yê ku kevnariya xwe qedir nede, eslê xwe jî tuneye. And whoever does not value their antiquity, has no origin either.
Gelekî spas ji te re. Saeta te xweş be. Thank you very much. Bless you.
Spasiya te dikim. I thank you.
Temaşevanên me yên hêja. Niha em li vir re derbas dibûn, em rastî vê kêlê hatin. Our esteemed viewers. As we were passing through here, we came across this tombstone.
Me dît li ser vê tirbê, bi Kurdî nivîsandî ye. We saw that it is written in Kurdish on this tomb.
Me xwest em bizanibin ka çima. We wanted to know why.
Çi taybetmendiyên wî hene? Çima bi Kurdî hatiye nivîsandin li ser vê tirbê? What are his special traits? Why is this tomb written in Kurdish?
Spas. Ev tirbe ya endezyarekî ye, endezyarekî ji Çeqela ye. Thanks. This is the tomb of an engineer, an engineer from Çeqela.
Çûbû Swêdê. Sernivîskarê cerîdeya Hawar bû li Swêdê. He had gone to Sweden. He was the editor-in-chief of the Hawar newspaper in Sweden.
Û zavayê Nemir Osman Sebrî ye. And he is the son-in-law of the immortal Osman Sabri.
Wesyet kir... gava koça dawî kir... wî wesyet kir. He made a will... when he passed away... he made a will.
Got, "Wexta ez çûm ber dilovaniya Xwedê, min li gundê min ê nav û deng Çeqela da veşêrin." He said, "When I pass away into God's mercy, bury me in my famous village of Çeqela."
Ji Kurdiyatiyê hez dikir. He loved Kurdishness.
Yekemîn, li herêma Efrînê û li vî gundê wî em dikarin bêjin, rehmetî camêr bû. First of all, in the Afrin region and in this village of his, we can say the late man was an honorable man.
Û wekî wî hinekên din jî hebûn ku di kar û xebatê de bûn. Wek Ehmedê Fîlîk rehmetî, xwedê rehma xwe lê bike. And there were others like him who were active in the work. Like the late Ehmedê Fîlîk, may God have mercy on him.
Û hinek ji şêxan jî hebûn. Wan jî bi vî rengî kar dikirin. Lê... And there were some sheikhs too. They also worked in this manner. But...
Ew ji kesên destpêkê bû ku ji Kurdiyatiyê hez dikir û alên Kurdiyatiyê bilind dikir di vê herêma me da. He was one of the first people who loved Kurdishness and raised the flags of Kurdishness in our region here.
Bi Kurdî... Çima bi Kurdî nivîsandine? In Kurdish... Why is it written in Kurdish?
Kurdî.. ev gotinên Cegerxwîn e. Nemir Cegerxwîn e. Kurdish... these are the words of Cegerxwîn. The immortal Cegerxwîn.
Ew jî, di nav Kurdiyatiyê de destan... Sernivîskarê cerîdeya Hawar bû li Swêdê. He too, in Kurdishness, left a legacy... He was the editor- in-chief of the Hawar newspaper in Sweden.
Elaqeyên wî xweş bûn bi wan re.. Û bi Apo Osman Sebrî re... He had good relations with them... And with Apo Osman Sabri...
Ji Kurdiyatiyê hez dikir. Dixwest ala Kurdiyatiyê bilind be. He loved Kurdishness. He wanted the flag of Kurdishness to be held high.
Dixwest qediyeya Kurdî bincil nemîne. He wanted the Kurdish cause not to remain suppressed.
Dixwest agiriya Newrozê bilind be. He wanted the fire of Newroz to be high.
Dixwest zimanê Kurdî di mekteban de were xwendin. He wanted the Kurdish language to be taught in schools.
Ji ber wê û paş de, gundên Çeqela Kurdhez bûn. Ji Kurdiyatiyê hez dikirin. From then on, the people of Çeqela villages were patriots. They loved Kurdishness.
Alên Kurdî bilind dikirin. Loma yek ji wan... They raised the Kurdish flags. That's why one of them...
Biraderê me, Muhemmed Bekir, weha jê re digotin Mîço. Our brother, Muhemmed Bekir, they used to call him Mîço.
Li Swêdê rehmet kir... He passed away in Sweden...
Li Swêdê rehmet kir û wesyeta xwe kir? He passed away in Sweden and made his will?
Li Swêdê rehmet kir. Belê, li Swêdê rehmet kir. He passed away in Sweden. Yes, he passed away in Sweden.
Û xelkê gund... yanî bi wî rengî nas dikir di warê siyasî û rewşenbîrî de... And the people of the village... they knew him like that in the political and cultural sphere...
Hûn anîn gund, li vir veşartin... û hemû partiyên Kurd li vir amade bûn. They brought him to the village, buried him here... and all the Kurdish parties were present here.
Anîn gund, li vir oxir kirin, û xizmeteke gundî kirin. They brought him to the village, bid him farewell here, and the villagers served him.
Û li ser tirba wî gundiyan mehrecanek xetabî mezin çêkirin. And over his tomb, the villagers held a large memorial ceremony.
Temaşevanên me yên hêja, niha jî em ketin ser meseleyek Qeşmero... yanî wekî edetî ye... Our esteemed viewers, now we have come to the topic of Qeshmero... which is like a tradition...
Ku li vî gundî û li pir gundên li navçeya Efrînê, dibêjin ku ev tişt dikin meenê baran lê ke. In this village and in many villages in the Afrin district, they say they do this so that it rains.
Niha xalokî ji nav gundiyan da ye... ta em pê pirsiyar bikin, û dê ji me re bide famkirin. Merheba. Now an uncle from among the villagers is here... so we can ask him, and he will explain it to us. Hello.
Ehlen û sehlen xwişka delal, ehlen û sehlen bi qenata we TV re. Ser çavên me hûn hatin. Welcome, dear sister, welcome to your TV channel. You have brought us joy with your arrival.
Û spas ji we re... ser çavên me hûn hatin. And thank you... you are very welcome here.
Destpêkê navê we? First of all, your name?
Navê min Mirad e. Ez ji Çeqelê yê ortê me. My name is Mirad. I am from the middle Çeqela.
Tu dikarî ji me re çîrokê li ser vê meselê deng bikî? Ev qeşmero, çawa dihatin çêkirin? Could you talk to us about the story behind this issue? How were these Qeshmeros made?
Li ser meseleya qeşmer.. ev ji berê da ye, ji bav û kalên me da... Regarding the issue of Qeshmer... this is from the past, from our ancestors...
Gava sal û dem baran ji zivistanê kêm bibariya... milet dadiket, qeşmer çêdikirin. When the year and season had little rain in the winter... the people would go out and make Qeshmer.
Zarokên gund kom dibûn... li mal û gundan, mal bi mal digeriyan. The children of the village would gather... they would wander from house to house in the villages.
Av bi wan de dikirin... û ewa şimar... digotin "Allo baran lêke". They would throw water on them... and they would say "Oh God, let it rain."
Û zêt didanê... zeyt didan, bulxur didan. And they would give them oil... they gave oil, they gave bulgur.
Tûrek bi qeşmer re bû, tûrek bi yê bulxur jî re bû. Didan wan, digeriyan. The Qeshmer had a sack with him, and there was a sack for the bulgur. They gave it to them, and they wandered.
Şevê dadiket... di gund de... gava me dixwest baran bibare... Night would fall... in the village... when we wanted it to rain...
Niha qeşmer bi xwe çi ye? Me heta niha fam nekir... Now what is Qeshmer itself? We haven't understood yet...
Qeşmer bi xwe... çêdikirin. Navê xwe Qeşmer e... yanî zarokekî lê dikirin. Qeshmer itself... they made it. Its name is Qeshmer... meaning they dressed a child like that.
Cilên... wek paltoyekî kevn, wek xilqekî dixi... Clothes... they put on an old coat, like an old rag...
Aa, yanî merî ye! Tiştan li xwe dikir... Ah, so it's a person! They put things on...
Merî ye erê... tiştan li xwe dikir... Milet çepik lê dixist... meena li ber xwe diçû... ewa jî qenaetek wisa bû. It's a person, yes... they dressed up in things... The people clapped for him... as he walked around... it was a belief like that.
Ji wî re dibêjin... And they call him...
Ji wê re dibêjin qeşmer. De cemaet bi qeşmer derketiye... Xwedê baranê lêke. They call him Qeshmer. The community has come out with the Qeshmer... so God will make it rain.
Qeşmer jî bi xwe cemaet wek qeşmer dikirin, yanî. The Qeshmer himself, the community treated him as a Qeshmer, I mean.
Çima we digot avê bi ser da dikin... Why did you say they throw water on him...
Avê bi ser wî de dikirin. Meene wek baran bibare... They threw water on him. Meaning, as if it is raining...
Li ber xwe diçûn... bi gund digeriyan. Kom kirine zeytên xwe... kom dikirin bulxurên xwe... They would go their way... wandering the village. Gathering their oil... gathering their bulgur...
Didan tenekeyan ... kom kirine... gundên dor xwe jî digeriyan. They put it in tins... gathered it... they also wandered the surrounding villages.
Diçûn ber ziyaretan. Li vir ziyaret... "Mala Eloyê Hecî" hebû li vir. They went to the shrines. Here there was a shrine... "Mala Eloyê Hecî" was here.
Û ziyareta... Şêx Îskender, Îbrahîm Dede, Xelîl Dede, Sefîr Dede... Ziyaret li dorî me pir in. And the shrines of... Sheikh Iskender, Ibrahim Dede, Khalil Dede, Sefir Dede... We have many shrines around us.
Diçûn ber. Ê li wê re... gava ferûc dibirin... xwarin çêdikirin... They went to them. And there... when they took chickens... they cooked food...
Xwarinê didan wî miletî yanî tevahî. Û li ber xwe xwedê digeriyan... meena Xwedê rehmê bike... They gave the food to the people, entirely. And they wandered seeking God's favor... meaning for God to have mercy...
Meena rehma xwe bibare. Diçûn mal, wek sal yan bê.. ew xilas dibû. Meaning to shower His mercy. They went home, whether the year brought it or not... it was over.
Ev mesela we wisa çend sal in di nav we de dertê holê? Berî niha... How many years has this issue been happening among you? Before now...
Ev mesela ji berê da ye ji bav û kalên me de kalbûnên me de wilo hebû... This matter is from the past, from our fathers and ancestors, from our elders, it was like this...
Kevnare ye belê. So it is ancient?
Kevnare ye belê. Yes, it is ancient.
Tenê li vî derî heye yan gundên derdorê jî weha ye? Is it only here or is it the same in the surrounding villages?
Li herêma Efrînê giş dera heye. It exists all over the Afrin region.
Çiqas gundên li Efrînê hene, giş çêdikirin? All the villages in Afrin, did they all do it?
Gundiyên Efrînê giş çêdikirin. Me jî çêdikir. All the villagers of Afrin did it. We did it too.
Çend sal e me çênekir qeşmer... It has been several years since we made a Qeshmer...
Lê gava em zarok bûn, mezinên me wilo dikirin, em didîtin... çêdikirin. But when we were children, our elders used to do it like that, we saw it... they made it.
Û baran dibarî? And did it rain?
Gor niyeta dilê milet e. Niyeta dilê te pak be... Rebbê alemîn wê baranê bibarîne... rehmetê bibarîne. It depends on the intention of the people's hearts. If your heart's intention is pure... the Lord of the worlds will make it rain... He will shower mercy.
Ew niyeta dilê te ne pak be... wê nebarîne. If your heart's intention is not pure... He will not make it rain.
Na, wekî vê do sal... û texmînen sala par... li Efrînê baran kêm barî. We dîsa çêkir? Like these past two years... and presumably last year... it rained little in Afrin. Did you do it again?
Wele li vî gundî min dît ko... sal par dîsa çêkirin... Well, in this village I saw that... last year they made it again...
Çêkirin. Çûn ber Ziyaretê da... qurban di rêya Xwedê da jî ser jê kirin... They made it. They went to the shrine... they also sacrificed offerings in the path of God...
Baran nebarî? Did it not rain?
Baran nebarî! It did not rain!
Yanî nîşan e ku dilê wan paqij nîne? Does that mean it is a sign that their hearts are not pure?
Niyeta dilê te paqij be... Xwedê wê bide te. Niyeta te paqij nebe wê nede te! Tişt e ev wisa nemaye... If your heart's intention is pure... God will give it to you. If your intention is not pure, He won't give it to you! The thing is, it's not like that anymore...
Wisa baweriya te pê heye? Do you have faith in it like that?
Na na.. ez nabêjim wisa... ev qenaeta min bi van tiştan nemaye. No, no... I don't say that... I no longer have faith in these things.
Spasiya te dikim. I thank you.
Sax bî... Xwedê ji we razî be... Bless you... May God be pleased with you...
Xaltîk? Auntie?
Adê. Yes.
Dikarî tiştekî ji me re ser vî gundî deng bikî? Ser karkirina jinan li vî gundî çi ye? Could you tell us something about this village? What is women's work like in this village?
Ê wele yayo min.. a ha kes li ser karê xwe ye. Xelk e, zengîn in û ne zengîn in, her kes li ser karê xwe ye... Aha wekî ez zanim ev e. Well, my dear... everyone is on their own work. The people, whether rich or not rich, everyone is on their own work... That is what I know.
Tu wexta... yanî wexta tu qîz, wexta te... di wî demê da te çi dikir? Di vî derê da xebata te çi bû? When you... I mean when you were a girl, in your time... what did you do at that time? What was your work here?
Welehî işte wexta dar bû... erd bû... pez bûn... em bi wan re bûn. By God, when there were trees... land... sheep... we were with them.
Me çi ji dest dihat dikir... te ew dem qîz.. êl qet... We did whatever we could... at that time as a girl... the community never...
Min nizanibû... te zimanê min dirêj kir! I didn't know... you made me speak too much!
Ez ji şexsê xwe nabêjim... gundî hemî... xelk, qîz dertên... gundiyê me... ew dem me nedidît, em naçûn di qîzan da.. ma te digot em serbest in? I don't speak for myself... all the villagers... other people, girls go out... our villagers... at that time we didn't see that, we didn't go among the girls... did you think we were free?
Welleh! Welleh! Ma ez çawa zanim wilo ye. By God! By God! How would I know it's like that.
Ez dibînim heylo rûyê te... deq in. Ev deq, eşyayên te maneya çiyê te lê dane? I see your face... has tattoos. These tattoos, what is the meaning behind these marks you have put on?
Ev daq... ev daq ji wê demê ne, e dihatin didan... çêdikirin... digotin daq e. These tattoos... these tattoos are from that time, they came and applied them... made them... they called them tattoos.
Tu dizanî kî dikir? Do you know who made them?
a barê şexsî bûn. Ah, this...
a barê şexsî bûn. and were for personal items.
Mûşelleh hûn ew qas şexsî... Mashallah, you had so many personal items...
Noka na, berê em diketin, em diçûn ... wexta em direviyan, em berî çûk biya, em diçûn ciyekî, em evan dadigirtin. Not now, but in the past we used to put things in them, we used to go... when we were fleeing, we were fleeing the children, we would go somewhere, we would fill these.
Ê, te çend salî bûya te hawa dikirin destên xwe? Yeah, how old were you when you were doing this with your hands?
Ha wê? Welleh ez... daweta Xelîl, lawê Xelîm Hesen. Daweta ... qîza Elî Mehmedê Xelîm Reşo. Em çend salan, em mamilek me kirin, em çûn me mamilek hatin, em gihaştin orta kêste bo qîna, du-sê qîna em di orta da sekinîn. Ê gava em li qîna xar sekinîn, go, "Bînin êy tiştê ha hûn wakin qîzo ye." De ha da wede qesek anîne, hîn wakin qîsko ye. Û a çûn, em ketin, em nexweşûn. This? I swear, I... the wedding of Xelîl, the son of Xelîm Hesen. The wedding... the daughter of Elî Mehmedê Xelîm Reşo. We spent several years, we made a deal, we went and made a deal, we reached the middle of the dispute for the girl, two or three girls, we stopped in the middle. When we stopped down there for the girl, they said, "Bring that thing, open it for the girl." They brought it then, open it for the girl. And they went, we fell, we got sick.
Paşê te got "Ez ê me'rîkê xwe çêkem, ez ê destên xwe kem me'neya çavên nebin." Then you said, "I will prepare my man, I will use my hands so they won't get the evil eye."
Me me kir me tevdidan, me... te me... We did it, we stirred it, we...
Hûn diçûn, ke çend caran hevalên te... ser qîzliqî xwe. Tu hevalet te tunebûn keçek... jinên hevalên te got, "Werin derdî kevin", we tiştê kar û bar we dikir? You used to go, how many times did your friends... on your virginity. Didn't you have friends, a girl... women friends who said, "Come, let's go out", did you do your chores?
Karik nedikir. Cihê ku em diqizketin em... min û we diqizketa me laf xist. I didn't do any chores. The place where we fell as girls... you and I fell as girls, we spoke.
Çima we hev xist? Why did you speak?
Me girt hevda. We grabbed each other.
Li hev xist li hev xist? You spoke to each other?
Yek o mala Mehmedê Ûsê bû, Se'ada jin a Mehdînê Têtar, min wilo yek mala birê me bû. Paşê em jin me dest xey hev da şûnda. One was of the house of Mehmedê Ûsê, Se'ada, the wife of Mehdînê Têtar, one was like that from our brother's house. Then we women put our hands on each other later.
Me we nakir. Û em şixul didan garîn. Em diçûn nav rêr. Em dihatin... me tirê, ji xwer, me behîv ji xwer... behîvê mala muftî me hebûn, ew ji xwe hebûn, tirî xwe hebû, paşê nedixwar. We didn't do that. And we made the work run. We used to go into the paths. We used to come... grapes for ourselves, almonds for ourselves... we had the almonds of the mufti's house, they had them themselves, they had their own grapes, then we didn't eat them.
Hûn durêtinê, çawa bûn? Lewma tişt dirêtina we dirût? How was your sewing? Did you sew things?
Wellehî min dikir. I swear I did.
Min qenevîçê dikir. I did embroidery.
Tentenê me çêdikir. Dahat belgên tentenê Sofî me çêkir. We used to make lace. The leaves of Sofî's lace came and we made them.
Mûşelleh. Welleh. Mashallah. I swear.
Qemîsên me çêdikirin ikê di vir ikê li girs. We used to make shirts, one here, one big.
Û. And.
Pe tevn o me gih çêdikirin, yê o me çêdikir geşta. We used to make all the looms, we used to make them all.
Tu tenê bûyî, l'hinek tiştan bi hev ra we dikirin? Were you alone, or did you do some things together?
Welleh, ez tenê bûm. Ez tenê bûm. I swear, I was alone. I was alone.
Xo kengî me hebûn, her kesê cîhazê xwe çêdikir. Her kesî... Whenever we had them, everyone made their own dowry. Everyone...
Sehî Xaltîyê te got, "Qîzên berê, cîhêzê xwe bi xwe çêdikirin." True, Aunty, you said, "Girls in the past made their own dowry."
Erê. Yes.
Çima? Why?
Ew bûn. Da gî bi xwe çêkirin. It was them. They made it all themselves.
Kes tune bû ji wan re çêkin? Wasn't there anyone to make it for them?
De elbê nedikirin. Partên xwe, erxanên xwe, gî me girêdan. Mala cawiz bû, mala temam bû. They didn't even use a comb. Their parts, their dowry, we tied them all. The house was a trousseau, the house was complete.
Dawetên we tê bîra we? Do you remember your weddings?
Dawetên me? Dawetên me tê bîra min... Reşo hesir çeqel bû Reşo. Our weddings? I remember our weddings... Reşo was like a jackal, Reşo.
Erê. Yes.
Rabe qîza xwe bide Hisên. Get up and give your daughter to Hisên.
Û pirr yan çend yek zira hebûn. Hoten em jixwe li ta bûn. Jina darê a wan bide cebwa. Cîhên tinê bûn. Yeko Cemîl Îmiza bû, yeko Ehmedê Beytel bû. And there were very many or a few bells. They came and we were on the thread ourselves. The woman of their tree gave them to the pocket. They were lonely places. One was Cemîl Îmiza, one was Ehmedê Beytel.
Diwe cêbina hanî, mo gotin Çeqelo. Def-mef tişt tunne. Rût. They brought two pockets, we said Jackal. There was no drum or anything. Bare.
Bi vê def û zorne tu hatî hawî? Did you come to these parts with this drum and zurna?
Erê welleh. Bes ev o çekê serê min bû. Yes, I swear. Only this was the weapon on my head.
Ê, daweta te barî wê nebûbû? Yeah, wasn't your wedding burdened by that?
Welleh, iştîk nema wan bû. I swear, there was nothing left for them.
Te xwe ji mêrê xwe re gundî ye? Are you a villager for your husband?
Ev xoce Asîma ji Memela ye. Me'bat kerem tu Xalta. This is Hodja Asîm from Memela. You're welcome, Aunty.
Û hûn l'Xalta iştîk qîmet me da wan yolo. And you valued them at Xalta.
Xo qîmet, me dizî, xo qîmet we ne qeçkê we ne, em li wer dibirên ew ê we gî tiştî da bitîn. Value, we stole it, value is neither your girl nor yours, we took them there, they would give you everything.
Xaltîyê, vê gundî, te me pir aciz kiribû li gundî we l'wê derê. Hawa, çi wextî te çêkir... kê ji te ra çêkirîyê... te ji ku anîye? Aunty, this villager, you made us very upset in your village over there. How, when did you make it... who made it for you... where did you get it?
Ev min obê ye. Wellehî, bi ro kê mêrê min zewicî... xilas ji min re wekir. Min got, "Keka, em sey bikine, tukesî gustîrkan ji min re neke." This is mine. I swear, the day my husband got married... he finished it for me. I said, "Brother, let's watch, don't let anyone make rings for me."
Got "Wî çi meke, hîn gustîrk ji xwa re". Rabe got, "Hîn biveciqîne buxaze." Bivece çû jê anîn. He said, "What should I do, buy a ring for yourself." He got up and said, "Squeeze it and buy it." Squeeze it, they went and brought it from him.
J'bê min dîj di deryê de da. Merûyê min dîj di deryê de da. Jûro min gotine, Xaltîyê xo ev fîstanê te kir. Nemazeliq bûn. I saw him in the door. I saw my husband in the door. I said up there, Aunty, he bought you this dress. It wasn't sticky.
Paşê me dî bîr çû, j'qîzê awe re... qîza mala Şe'na bû. Berê mehkemê. Then we saw he forgot, to that girl... she was a girl of the Şe'na house. Before the court.
Di hekê ji gundan de heke we... go yekî xwe we, yekî eze, yekî... Mêrê min, me ji te kin re me got, "Qet qîte rake..." From the villages, if you... they said one was his own, one was me, one... My husband, we said to you short ones, "Never lift a piece..."
Me qet ti rûk. Min go me... Fîstanê me ew ê dirûtî da jî we zewîc. We never cover our faces. I said we... They even sewed that dress of ours for your marriage.
Em çûn ser mîrî, fîstan jî me dirût. Di me... de qeçike a melekê hebûn. We went to the emir, and we also sewed a dress. In us... there was a girl of the angel.
Lingê xwe çar meşî bûn. Destê xwe çar meşî bûn, lingê xwe çar meşî bûn. Bêrîyê xwe sipî bûn. Seriyê xwe sipî bûn. Me yek dî qaştin. Their feet were four marches. Their hands were four marches, their feet were four marches. Their pockets were white. Their heads were white. We shaved one more.
Hevalan me dîn. Em hatin fîstanê min yî dirûtî der kirî. Em hatin mal. We saw the friends. We came and he took off my sewn dress. We came home.
Min di dilê xwe da digotin ew qas rind bûye, wilo tê... rûken bûn ji te. I was saying in my heart she has become so beautiful, she comes like this... they were smiling at you.
Ma te eciband. Az xo jinik kete çûyê. But you liked it. Since the woman fell into the well.
Gava Xêrê, got xêr e, go fîstanê te erzan dirûtîye. Go e... înme biha dirûtîye. O go, "Ne rind dirûtîye" min. At the time of Xêrê, he said "What's the matter," he said "He sewed your dress cheaply." He said "He sewed it expensively." And he said to me, "He didn't sew it beautifully."
Yê min go avê xwera rind e me, o beryê min jî di seriyê xwe, îşar şeqartiyê wekî çêdike... Xalekî ez jî di firoşe... min go an nava kel firoşek. Carê yek îşar li xwa kire, go "bêhna dît". Tûre yê we kî dî. Mine, I said, water is fine for us, and my pocket is on his head, the sign makes him look smart... I'll sell an uncle too... I said or sell him inside the fort. Once he made a sign to himself, he said "he saw the smell." Net of whoever saw him.
Ê, her weha iştîk wî yariqî tişt kirin... piçikê mîrok bûn, moxlînatê qeçkê xwe dikirin. Yeah, he did such things that made him split... they were a bit like ants, they made the girls' things into hairbands.
Ez bo nakê, ne dewleta min, ne der xwedê wêta me wele, der we de qeçkê mi... Xweşûn, hin mirin hin man. I don't care, neither my wealth, nor his wealth is there, I swear, in you my girls... They got sick, some died, some stayed.
Çar min mirin, û şikir heşt min man, xwedê bihêle. Xwedê havalê xwe be. Four of mine died, and thank God eight of mine remained, may God keep them. May God be their friend.
Amîn. Xaltîk, ta... ji xwa... Amen. Aunty, to... from you...
Ez te jî xwa spas dikim, xwedê umrê te dirêj bike. I thank you too, may God give you a long life.
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Belê temaşevanen me yê hêja, naha jî em d'içê şikefta kî de ne li gundê Çeqelo. Yes, our dear viewers, now we are going to a cave in the village of Çeqelo.
Ev şikefto, yek ji sê şikeftan e ku li vê gundî hene. Naha li pey min, mirîşk hene; ketiye şikeftê... berê, mirov tê da rûdiniştin. Zemanê berê da ji ber ku mal tunebûn. Niha... dawar û mirîşko dikinî. This cave is one of the three caves that are in this village. Now behind me, there are chickens; they entered the cave... in the past, people used to sit in them. In the old days because there were no houses. Now... they put cattle and chickens in.
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Belê, temaşevanen me yê hêja. Niha jî, am din d'hîçê me'serê kî dane, wêra dibêjin "Me'sera zeytûna". Berê zeytûn d'hîçê virt da dikirin zeyt. Yes, our dear viewers. Now, we are in an olive press, they call it an "olive press". In the past, they used to press olives into oil here.
Emo, gelekî kevin e. Dibêjin ku bariya sed sal, sed û pênci sal gotiye ava kirin, û di vir da kar dikirîn. Uncle, it's very old. They say that about a hundred years, a hundred and fifty years ago it was built, and they used to work here.
Emê naha derbasî cem kesekî bibin, vî j'marê li ser me'serê dan xe. We will now go to someone, who will talk to us about the press.
Merheba. Hello.
Merheba. Ehlen û sehlen. Hello. Welcome.
Tu dikarî xwe bidî nasîn? Can you introduce yourself?
Mihemed Hesen Elo. Mihemed Hesen Elo.
Gundê Çeqelo. Village of Çeqelo?
Gundê Çeqelo. Village of Çeqelo.
Em dixwazin j'marê behsa me'serê bikî. We want you to tell us about the press.
Me'ser evê vir, d'bêjin me'sera mala Qadirî Xoce. Me'serek pir kevin e. The press here, they call it the press of the house of Qadirî Xoce. It's a very old press.
Teqîben sed, ser sed salî ra heye. Ew a... şûna vî makbasê niha ko hadîs l'vî darî. Berê zeytûn di anîn vir da. Approximately a hundred, over a hundred years old. That... the place of this press now that is modern on this wood. They used to bring olives here in the past.
D'e... wê ra digotin "bermîl" an d'safandin. Zeyt jê derdixistin. They used to call it a "barrel" or they filtered it. They extracted oil from it.
Zeyt jê derdixistin. Nika evo bi xwa wekî şikeftokê tî? They extracted oil from it. Now isn't this like a cave itself?
Erê. Berê hiştek go ava bûn. Yes. Before they used to be built with mud.
Kirin me'ser. They made it a press.
Kirin me'ser. Ew ji çêkiran... lê wî esasê çêkiran. They made it a press. They built it... they built it on that basis.
Belê. Yes.
Tenê bi tenê di kar tanîn yan na dibêjim dev ji vê darê berdin hebû? Did they only use this or I mean apart from this wood, were there others?
Hebûn lê, ewê din jî hebûn mesela. There were, there were others too, for example.
Zeytê, şûna wê mesela di kevn da niha wekî cilikê dadikirin. For olive oil, instead of it, for example in the past they used to put it in clothes (sacks).
Dadikirin, dihiştin... ji wê re dibêjin mesela... cilik hebûn, wekî wê bîrîna dadikirin û dikepisi... bi kevir di kepisandin... They would fill them, leave them... they call it for example... there were sacks, like they would fill that and press it... they would press it with stones...
Zeyt jê diherikî, diçû... li jêr wekî carnek hebû, mesela tê da disekinîn... zeyt û av jî li hev dadikirin, bermîlan da..." The oil would flow from it, go... below there was like a jar, for example it would stay in it... they would put oil and water together in barrels...
Zehmetî pê nedihat? Wasn't it difficult?
Zehmetî tê da hebû, lê di wî wextî da tiştên, wî alavî, na wî wextî... There was difficulty in it, but at that time the things, that equipment, no, at that time...
Niha em dibînin amêrên niha em dibînin ma sere ecar alav... Now we see the current machines, we see they are fast...
Alav dikar... di wextê xwe da mirov bi... The machines worked... in its time people used to...
hingî mirov dikaribû... û mirov... wisa dima... then people could... and people... it stayed like that...
Heta kîjan salê gundê Çeqela gelê gundê Çeqela dev ji vê darê berdan û kar nekin? Until which year did the village of Chaqala, the people of the village of Chaqala, abandon this wood and stop working with it?
Bi xwedê êdî ew pê, berxwe dan, êdî dev ji vê darê berdan... teqrîben... mesela meqbesên hedîs... yanî 20-30 sal... By God, they gave up on it, they resisted, then abandoned this wood... approximately... for example modern presses... I mean 20-30 years...
di nav da... beriya wê da... tim vî meseleyî dikirin... inside... before that... they always did this...
Spasiya te dikim. I thank you.
Ser çavan. Xweş. Xwedê ji we razî be. Silav li we. You're welcome. Nice. May God be pleased with you. Greetings to you.
Merheba xalo. Hello uncle.
Merheba, ehlen we sehlen. Hello, welcome.
Navê te em nas bikin? Can we know your name?
Navê min, Necîb Elo ye. My name is Najib Alo.
Muxtarê Çeqelê ortê ye? You are the headman of middle Chaqala?
Belê. Yes.
Ser serê min. On my head.
Serî te sax be... tu bi xêr hatî ser van... bernameya we gelek xweş e... bi qenata we ve. May your head be healthy... you are welcome on these... your program is very nice... with your channel.
Te gava ku dît... ser tiştên kevn, dît... te dît... hevalê me dît... em çi dikin... tu bi xwe çawa dîtî? When you saw it... on the old things, you saw... you saw... you saw our friend... what we are doing... how did you see it yourself?
Ev delû bû. Teba em... yanî ez gîştime... em bi bavikê xwe ra... em dihatin li vir, me gir dikir... This was a "dalu" (olive press). Of course we... I mean I reached it... with our fathers... we used to come here, we would work...
ev kevir, li der û dor dihatin danîn, mesela. Û ganiyan me... û ew genimê... ew qaşilê wî... ew qişrê wî... ji hev diçûn. these stones, were placed around, for example. And we would take... and that wheat... that skin of it... that shell of it... they would separate.
Ew zêr difitilî, ê tamam, digotin tamam bû, li vê derê, dorê pir dikirin. Ne yek, mesela li vî gundî da, heft delû hebûn. That gold turned, okay, they said it was done, here, they made it full around. Not one, for example in this village, there were seven "dalu"s.
Yanî yek batel, ta vî layî nedikarî bikira, her malekê, yanî sê-çar mal, yan didu-sê mal, delûyek ava dikirin... I mean one didn't work, until this side couldn't do it, every family, I mean three or four families, or two or three families, would build a "dalu"...
Heta wê qepekê, darê wê jê dihat derê, paşê ê zêde dikirin, paşê dikirin gir. Ew tiştekî pir kevn e. Until that cover, its wood came out of it, then they would add to it, then they made it work. That is a very old thing.
Di warê niha tişt nînin. Wekî berê. Tişt nînin, yanî ev... In terms of now there is nothing. Like before. There are no things, I mean this...
ev dar e, ev tişt e, em nizanin... ne ji aqlê me... belkî emrê vê darê şeş-heftsed sal e. this is wood, this is something, we don't know... it's not from our mind... maybe the age of this tree is six or seven hundred years.
Naha tiştekî din bala min kişand. Delûb em dibînin li gundê hane. Di mintiqa Efrînê, em dibînin di ortê da hesin heye. Lê ev delûba, em dibînin dar e tê da. Now something else caught my attention. Delub, we see them in those villages. In the Afrin region, we see there is iron in the middle. But this delub, we see there is wood in it.
Ev dar e, dar e, bi eitbar ji beriya wê hindê, tiştê seretayî ye. U tiştê seretayî, millet nehatibû, ewqas pêş neketibû, yanî bas caran ji wî hesin jî dikir. This is wood, wood, in consideration since before that, it's a primitive thing. And a primitive thing, people hadn't come, hadn't progressed that much, I mean sometimes they also used that iron.
Ev dar e seretayî bû... di germiyê da dar li vir, em wisa xuyadikin... dar minasib e, mezin e, wisa dikin... şûna hesin... This wood was primitive... in the heat wood here, we think so... the wood is suitable, it's big, they do it like that... instead of iron...
ev dar dikirin, bi xwe jî dar e, em jê ra dibêjin palût e... ji vê, ne ji vê darê ye... mazî em dibêjin... they made this wood, it is wood itself, we call it "palut"... from this, it's not from this wood... we say "mazi" (oak)...
Yanî ji wê çêdikirin... u her fîtrekî çê... sal bi sal jî didan çêdikirin. Berê çûye. Niha xerabe ye... tebehen... bi eitbarê îstîmal nîne... I mean they made it from that... and every period... year by year they also had it made. It's gone now. Now it's ruined... of course... considering there is no usage...
xerabe ye. it's ruined.
Naha me ser tiştên kevn, me tiştên kevn dît, cem we... u me ser xelkê kevn deng kir... em tiştekî we jî bibînin... Now we saw the old things, we saw the old things, with you... and we listened to the old people... let us see something of yours too...
Em werin xwendewanên gund. Let's come to the educated people of the village.
Ger em bizanibin berê gelek xwendewan li gund hebûn... gelo naha... If we want to know, there were many educated people in the village before... I wonder now...
Xwendewan di vî gundê me, pir in. Pir in. Ji mufekîrîn jî tê da hene... û museqefîn, mesela muhendisîn jî hene... There are many educated people in this village of ours. Many. There are intellectuals among them... and educated people, for example engineers as well...
dekator jî hene... doktorat, camieat da hene, heta li dervayî jî hene. Doktorê me li camiea Fransa da didarisine, mesela... there are doctors too... doctorates, in universities, even outside there are. Our doctor teaches at a university in France, for example...
Hene. There are.
Kaptênê we yê mezin, li Fransayê heye... You have a great captain in France...
Şebab hene mesela, bi rutbet dubat in... dubat rutbetin mezin... mîna mulazim ewel... There are young people for example, with the rank of officers... officers of high ranks... like first lieutenant...
Kasek heye, ez nizanim, ez gundê wan nas dikim, gundê wan e, min wî dîtibû... bas ez zanim li Fransayê ye... bi xwe kaptan e... çiye... There is someone, I don't know, I know their village, it's their village, I had seen him... but I know he is in France... he is a captain himself... what is he...
Navê xwe, Lawend... Lawend Huseyn Hacû ye... li Fransayê ye... û rutbeya wî jî mulazim ewel e, di baxxîra mezin da, ê yakht û tişt e... His name is Lawand... Lawand Hussein Haju... he is in France... and his rank is first lieutenant, in a big ship, those yachts and things...
tê da dixebite... û alaqatê xwe, heta di musetewayê hikûmê da mezin e yanî... he works in it... and his relations, even at the government level, are great...
Bi ê mezin e, heta meqroqan wî ra, belkî liqaatê wî hene û wisa... He is great, even with Macron, maybe he has meetings and such...
Yanî birakê wî jî wehan e... xwendineke mezin, xilas kirine. I mean his brother is the same... they have finished high education.
Şehadet bilind birine. They achieved high degrees.
Meelumatiyê da, edeb da, dîroka da, tiştan da pir in yanî... In information, in literature, in history, in things they are many...
Ev kes, ev kesê tu behsa wan dikî, evana di çi salî da û li kî derê xwend? These people, these people you are talking about, in what year and where did they study?
Ev destpêkê, xwendina gund e, teqrîben têkê bibe di 64 û wan salan da... li vir, çûye Şamê, û li Şamê derket, teqrîben... This first, is the village education, approximately it might be in '64 and those years... here, he went to Damascus, and left Damascus, approximately...
pênc-şeş sal heye, ev garek çûye, li Fransayê... it's been five or six years, he went, to France...
Belê. Yes.
Kevn da çûye... ev naha... ji malbata, malbatên Hacû ne... ev malbat e... He went a long time ago... this now... from the family, Haju families... this family...
Û me got, mufekirîn hene... û daban jî hene... bas di ser sefheyên xwe de, xwes hene... danc jî dikin, derdikin... And we said, there are intellectuals... and thinkers too... but on their pages, there are special ones... they also publish, they bring out...
û, yan li her malekê da, naha her malek gund e, belkî du-sê qaçexê xwe, an muhendis hene... and, I mean in every family, now every family in the village, maybe has two or three graduates, or engineers...
Belê. Yes.
asazîze hene, muhamî hene... naha mesela... there are professors, there are lawyers... now for example...
tim ew, şehadetên tenê, nayê gotin... always that, just certificates, are not mentioned...
Belê. Yes.
Em wara dibistanê. Let's come to the school.
Bêjin. Tell me.
Dibistan di kîjan salî da li vir ava bû? In what year was the school built here?
Dibistana me teqrîben, di çil û heştê... çil-nehan da... di gund çêbû, li xanî axê da bû. Our school approximately, in forty-eight... forty-nine... was built in the village, it was in the house of the aghas.
Di xanî axê da bû... It was in the house of the aghas...
Hmm. Hmm.
Ev raste, hewşa mala Hecfîlek... This is true, the courtyard of Hecfilek's family...
Belê. Yes.
Hecfîlek, li mala Skender ev e, dibêjin. Li jêr bû... li wê saca wî... naha ew gava... wisa, belkî suretekê şanî ji we ra. Hecfilek, in Skender's house this is, they say. It was down... on that area of it... now that time... like that, maybe they'll show you a picture.
Li wê saca we... mekteb li wir bû. Dû re, eşya... teqrîben, di 60 û çendikan da, belkî mekteb hat girtin. On that area of yours... the school was there. Then, things... approximately, in '60 something, maybe the school was closed.
Di 63-64an... ya pê, mekteba nizamî çêbû. In '63-'64... or after, the regular school was built.
Mekteb ji wir ji hewşê Erebî naqli cihekî din Erebî... hewşê ya pêşî ya berê, xanî bû, dirêj bû, te zaniya? The school moved from there, from the Arabic courtyard to another Arabic place... the first old courtyard, it was a house, it was long, you know?
Ee, paşê... mektebek nîzamî çêkirin. Naha mekteba me heye. Uh, then... they built a regular school. Now we have a school.
Hmm. Hmm.
Pişt we wekî, camê me rawesta, pişt camiya rakirin, hebû mektebek mezin, naha amadeyî tê da hebû. Behind you like, our mosque stopped, after they removed the mosque, there was a big school, now there was a preparatory school in it.
U îbtîdayî jî tê da heye. And there is primary in it too.
Belê. Yes.
Û di 60 da... 62-63yan, ew ya paşê hat girtin. Tarîxek wekî deqîq an nikanim bizanibim, wisa bû. And in '60... '62-'63, that later one was closed. An exact date I cannot know, it was like that.
Û yanî kamilanî me Çeqelê, ev sê gund dihatin vir. Bîmafî Mistiko hebû, dihatin vê mektebê. Ez duxwem di xwênd. And completely us in Chaqala, these three villages came here. Including Mistiko, they came to this school. I myself studied there.
Ji Olkano dihatin, ji Hecbilêl dihatin, ji Kelo dihatin. Mekteb tune bûn. Ez çûçik bûm, mezin bûn. Naha wisa emê ser deng dikirin... They came from Olkano, they came from Hajbilel, they came from Kalo. There were no schools. I was a child, they were big. Now we were talking about that...
Yek... emrê wî... yanî ez çûçik bûm... eger ketama der, ser sê xalê min dikir. Yanî bîmena, ez çûçik bûm. Ez diçûm... vî xwudên qelema dikir. Sefa pênc-şeşan bû. One... his age... I mean I was a child... if I went out, he was three times my age. Meaning, I was a child. I went... he used this pencil holder. He was in the fifth or sixth grade.
Ee, naha hawa li dervayê we ye. Û millet li vir pir bû yanî. Kes... û her sê gund yanî. Ne gundek tenê, yanî xwandewan tê da hene. Uh, now the atmosphere is outside of you. And people were many here I mean. People... and all three villages I mean. Not just one village, I mean there are students in them.
Çeqelê Jorî jî tê da xwandewan hene, û Çeqelê Jêrî jî. Em seyê sê gundin e, bes yanî her hinek axavtin pir in. In Upper Chaqala there are students too, and in Lower Chaqala too. We watch the three villages, but I mean some talks are a lot.
Bes em wekî aîlekê ne... heta mezelî me tev ha ve. But we are like a family... even our cemetery is all together.
Kîjan tişt... kîjan tiştan tu dixwazî pers bikî... Which thing... which things do you want to ask...
Yanî tu dibêjî... Çeqelo sê perçe ye, tam e? I mean you are saying... Chaqala is three parts, exactly?
Yek jorî ye... yek ortê ye... One is upper... one is middle...
û yek jêrî ye... and one is lower...
Bes wek tu dibînî... me erebî parçeyekî ye... But as you see... for us it's one piece...
Ku elaqetê me, yek in. Bideq... elaqat civakî yek in. Zewac di mabeyna me da heye. As our relations, are one. Exactly... social relations are one. We have intermarriages among us.
Bes em bi nav malê Çeqelê Jorî, beşqene. Êtê wan beşqene. Em nabêjin her sê Çeqelî yek in. Ne. But we in the name of the house of Upper Chaqala, are separate. Their lands are separate. We don't say all three Chaqalas are one. No.
Bes wek ku... mekteba me yek bû. Mekteba me, naha ez çawa zar dikirim... me go Çeqelê Jêr, û yê Jor, û yê Ortê ew mekteb ava bû. But like... our school was one. Our school, now as I was explaining... I said Lower Chaqala, and Upper, and Middle built that school.
Ji Hecbilêl heye, ji Olkano, ji Mistiko, ji Kelo... evan da dihatin vê mektebê. Ez duxwe em de bîm asîfekî bîm ez e dikirim. Wele tu dihata, şebab pir bîm yanî... There are from Hajbilel, from Olkano, from Mistiko, from Kalo... they came to this school. I myself was sorry I was doing it. Well if you came, there were a lot of youths I mean...
Ne wek naha, çûçik... we da... Not like now, children... like that...
Te go mezarê we jî tev hev e, ne? You said your cemetery is also together, right?
Mezarê me tev hev in. Tirbê me yek in... yanî Çeqelê Jor... Our cemeteries are together. Our graves are one... I mean Upper Chaqala...
Û ewê Çeqelê... ortê ye. Ev mezela niha we ye û ew tasê... ew delûb li ser e... And that of Chaqala... middle. This cemetery of yours now and that bowl... that delub is on it...
Mezela her gund e. The cemetery is of every village.
Belê. Yes.
Teba e gundê Jêr bi îtbar dûr e, çîçkê... mezela wan beşqe ye. Of course the Lower village is considered far, a little... their cemetery is separate.
Û ke sîlet el-qerabe, em sê gund tevde bi yek in, yanî. And regarding kinship ties, we three villages are all together as one, I mean.
Naha erdên we ji we... erdkî te ji we de? Now your lands are from yours... your land is from yours?
Erdên me, cîranê hev in. Erdê vî gundê, li nav gundî dihat, û wî gundî li nav vî gundî dihat... Our lands, are neighbors to each other. The land of this village, came into the village, and of that village came into this village...
Tixûb tenê na? So there are borders?
Tixûb hene... teba tuxûb hene... her kes hûdûdê xwe belê ye... bas eme... mumkin e erdê... There are borders... of course there are borders... everyone's border is known... but we... it's possible that the land...
Ê min... lê, ew ciyê çiqas li jor be... av... ew ciyê çiqas li jor lê ew jêr be yanî wena heye. Oh my... but, the place that is higher... water... the place that is higher but it is lower, I mean it has such a thing.
Belê. Yes.
Spas ji we re tatê kim, saeta we xweş, û em ji Xwedê pirs dikin, ev rojên pêş ke xweş bin, û saeta we pir pir xweş, û koma we giştîkê ra silavên me hene, û saeta we xweş. I thank you auntie, have a good time, and we ask God, that these coming days be good, and have a very very good time, and we have greetings for your whole group, and have a good time.
Temaşevanan em hêja... xelkê vê gundî, xelkê gundê Çeqelê dibêjin, ku em wekî kurd... û ji vê gundî, me heta niha, me bostek erd nehişt, em gî tê de biçînin. Dear viewers... the people of this village, the people of Çeqelê village say, that we as Kurds... and from this village, until now, we haven't left a single span of land unplanted, we plant in all of it.
Em ê niha werin ji xalo bipirsin. Ka em ê ji wî, ser vê tiştî deng kin. We will now come and ask the uncle. Let's talk to him about this.
Merheba xalo. Hello uncle.
Ehlan, merheba, bi xêr hatî. Welcome, hello, welcome.
Navê te em nas bikin? May we know your name?
Navê min Ahmed e. Ahmedê Fêrîkê. My name is Ahmed. Ahmed of Ferik.
Navê bavê min Mistefa ye, Mistefa yê Habî Ûsê... Mistefayê Hesen. You're very welcome.
Navê bavê min Mistefa ye, Mistefa yê Habî Ûsê... Mistefayê Hesen. My father's name is Mustafa, Mustafa of Habi Use... Mustafa of Hasan.
Belê, ser serê min. Yes, you're very welcome.
Mal ava. Bless your house.
Niha me tiştek bîst, li vê gundî dibêjin, ku em diçînin, em bostek erd nahêlin... gî dar e, gî tiştek din e. Çima? Now we heard something, in this village they say, that we plant, we don't leave a single span of land... it's all trees, it's all something else. Why?
Gundê me... berê... tu zanî berê gî pez bû. Ga bûn. Heywan, heywanek bû. Our village... before... you know before it was all sheep. There were oxen. Animals, it was animals.
Tê de, dinya dê tawir bû. Pêşta dîn çêbûn. Pêşta dîn çêbûn, ortê me dest, da çandiniyê kir. In it, the world developed. Later crazy things happened. Later crazy things happened, among us we started farming.
Çandiniyê, axlebî xwe genim bû, nîsk bû, nok bû... yanî te ne... ne dar bûn. Safî tena bûn. Farming, mostly it was wheat, lentils, chickpeas... I mean, you know... there were no trees. Purely grain.
Paşê, şînî me çûyê ber zor, ber mamelan... erdên xwe anîn, dar qiraçan çandin. Then, our greenery went towards a lot, towards dealings... they brought their lands, planted trees in the wastelands.
Digotin dar li deştê nabin. Yani ax... gundiyên me digotin dar li deştê nabin. Ê, qiraçan darên zeytûnê bûn. They used to say trees don't grow in the plains. I mean the land... our villagers used to say trees don't grow in the plains. Well, the olive trees were in the wastelands.
Ê darên zeytûnan, paşê jî me anîn, deştê çandin. Vê carê jî li deştê qiraçan ranentirin. The olive trees, then we brought them, planted them in the plain. This time they grew better in the plain than in the wastelands.
Xelkê, e me erdê xwe.. kirin dar. Darê zeytûnan. People, we turned our land into trees. Olive trees.
Rez e. Mişmiş e. Sêv e. Lê erdî, me ta çi biçîna dimaşiya. Garis e... genim e, nîsk e, nok e, cûrbane. It's vineyards. It's apricots. Apples. Whatever we planted in the ground, it grew. Corn... wheat, lentils, chickpeas, vetch.
Yanî ti çi biçînî şîn dibe. Hêjîr in e. I mean whatever you plant grows. It's figs.
Belê. Axî sor e vider e? Yes. Is the soil red here?
Axî sor e û gewr e. Deşt, sor e... qiraç gewr e. The soil is red and gray. The plain, is red... the wasteland is gray.
Teba, qiraç wek deştê nabe. Fewqaqî qiraçî deştê ranentirin. Bas bînema av hebe... ê deştê qiraçî ranentir dibe. Of course, wasteland is not like the plain. The difference is the plain produces better. But if there is water... the plain produces better than the wasteland.
Û qiraç bi xwe hişk dibe. And the wasteland itself gets dry.
Niha darên we çandinî, avî ne, lê bejî ne? Now your trees that are planted, are they irrigated, or dryland?
Wella nok û noq, axlebî zeytûnê avî ne. Bes ên qiraç bistanê ne avat e... bostan şûna tena bî. Well point and point, mostly olives are irrigated. But those wastelands, the orchards aren't irrigated... orchards took the place of grain.
Axlebiya xwe gî bî avî. Most of it all became irrigated.
Lê bînema ew ji bistan rind be, em ê kêm av didin. But if the orchard is good, we water it less.
Belê. Yes.
Û elhemdulellah xêr û bereketa pir ê... pir e deştê. Xêr pir e deştê. And thank God, there is a lot of blessing and abundance... a lot in the plain. Blessing is a lot in the plain.
Em ê werin ser meselya avê. Niha em dighêjin kîjan gundî li Efrînê, dibêjin ku... pirsgirêka me ya mezin av e. Let's come to the issue of water. Now whichever village we reach in Afrin, they say that... our biggest problem is water.
Av tune ye, av hişk dibe, ava me dikişke, dikişke, dibe, avên baranê jî îsal neda me. There is no water, water is drying up, our water is shrinking, shrinking, it is, rainwater also didn't give to us this year.
Ez ji wa kê dizanim ku te dibê hisal me dest bi avdanê kir? I know you said you started watering this year?
Hebo ew ên mîlkan... ev ê bexran e. Emrê min heftê sal e. Noka ketime heftê sal e. Yes, those of the lands... this is of the sea. My age is seventy years. Now I've entered seventy years.
E min av şêrka veda xebit. Ava baran e. I never worked the tap water. It's rainwater.
Û vê hikumetê ji me re tune ye. And this government doesn't exist for us.
Na av e, na rêk e me, na telefon e, tiştekî me tune, me qut kiriye. No water, no road for us, no telephone, we have nothing, they cut us off.
Noka... bavo, gunda giş zane, baran lê dekeve... me serî jê kolane, serî jî me mesax kirine. E adetên. Now... father, all the villages know, rain falls on it... we have dug out the top of it, we have also spent on the top. It's customs.
E vî ber didine, em vedixwin. We let this flow, we drink it.
Av xelas bû, em da dikin bir deştê, bîra, avî tînin berdidine cer, ci vedixwin. Water is finished, we go down to the plain, wells, bring water, put it in jugs, drink from it.
Yanî avên hikumet tune. I mean there is no government water.
Belê. Wa ne çêbû lediyati, av ji wî tiştî re tune ne? Yes. Wasn't a municipality established, don't they have water for that thing?
Ma ce gelek ji te dizane... me halê me kor e ma, em siyasetê ketine nayê rind e... şî ma siyaset e tune ye... Well you know a lot of it... our situation is blind, we got into politics it doesn't come good... there is no politics for us...
Na denge ma. No, it's our voice.
Û li çorên me jî, keleh heye. And around us, there is a castle.
Keleh dizanim, keleh çi ye? I know a castle, what is a castle?
Belê. Darên merxê hene. Yes. There are fir trees.
Ti çi te, ewliya, dîrek xerîb dixe, ew camê çi heye. Whatever you, saints, an unfamiliar mast strikes, what does that man have.
Û ciwarên me ji weşan e. And our areas are also from broadcasting.
Niha deşt, wek miştaf, em kerî, wek zeytûn, we tiştek wî heye, û darên fêkî û darên fêkî. Now the plain, like a mustard field, we cut, like olive, you have something of it, and fruit trees and fruit trees.
Wa gihamî kirin e dar... Did you make them all trees...
E em bi wî şênî tenê kî, biçînî, derdikeve. Na maye. We are alone with that greenery, whatever you plant, comes out. Nothing is left.
Ne maye? Not left?
Ne maye. Heta de, pênc man e. Not left. Until now, five are left.
Giş zeytûn in. They are all olives.
Û de çiyê da... keleh mûder... ên han. Ev we hav tiştan... hêne kî na di gund de. And in the mountain... the castle is a place... those ones. These summer things... are they brought to the village.
Çima te nakin. Çiya hebe, baranî li dînekî... baranî çi heye. Why don't they. If there's a mountain, rain on crazy... what rain is there.
Qiraç hinek bî... baranî saqol, av li darê... darên avê... wek dîn dibin. The wasteland is a bit... heavy rain, water on the trees... water trees... they become like crazy.
Evî wan jî em dirin darên me re... qut kirin... These we also tear our trees... they cut them...
Darên... merxê jî tê qut kir... hişk nav de. The trees... the firs too, you cut them... dry inside.
Kur dibe. Keleh hişk e nav de. It gets blind. The castle is dry inside.
Bes bînema... merx hişk nabe. Çiqas te birrin, şên dike. But if... fir doesn't get dry. As much as you cut it, it gets green.
Bes qut kirin... çi nemaye jê... But they cut it... nothing is left of it...
Spasiya te dikim. I thank you.
Saeta te xweş... ti tiştek dipirskî elok ser e... saeta te xweş. Have a good time... whatever you ask is welcome... have a good time.
Merheba xalo. Hello auntie.
Merheba xweşca, ehlen û sehlen. Hello dear, welcome.
Navê te em nas bikin? May we know your name?
Navê min? Eeh. My name? Eeh.
Ehmedê Xelîl. Xelîl Mistê Selmê. Ahmed of Xelil. Xelil of Miste Selme.
Belê. Yes.
Tu ji... te ji vî gundî yî? Yes.
Tu ji... te ji vî gundî yî? You are from... are you from this village?
Ji vî gundî me... ee. I am from this village... yeah.
Bes... nifûsa min, tê da ne vala dînedinê... lo kê bû me. But... my registration, in it is not empty world... I was small.
A çûm... paşê çû bû... e... bi... erxem Heleb... hefto. Ah I went... then went... eh... to... Erxem Aleppo... weekly.
Miqadem... dibê, te, ne, be... ev pêşiya me, katibê, me şêxû bû. Gu: "Çêke, eva sûretê wî, emê bidin." Eh.
Miqadem... dibê, te, ne, be... ev pêşiya me, katibê, me şêxû bû. Gu: "Çêke, eva sûretê wî, emê bidin." The lieutenant... says, you, no, without... this before us, the clerk, our sheikh was there. He said: "Make it, here is his picture, we will give it."
Min go: "Sûcê min çi ye, sûcê ke, kotiya, ne pîs e." Ev, kur bû me na kirî ye... I said: "What is my crime, the crime of the, wicked, is not dirty." He, was blind and didn't do it...
Te bi xwe li kû derê bûyî yî? Where were you yourself?
Em ji vir bûne yî. Li vir bûme yî, bes, wa, kotiya ne, ne fîs e ew miş na kirî ye. Ez ser wî felqê me. We are from here. I was here, but, those, bad people, not decent, he didn't do it for us. I am on that document.
Çend salî ya niho? How old are you now?
Niho? Heftê salî me. Maşellah. Now? I am seventy years old. Mashallah.
Xwedê te jî xweşke. May God bless you too.
Em werin... te, behsa, qutbûna wê tiştê te kirî yî. Di xwazin, ser wî deng kin. Let's come... you, mentioned, the cutting of that thing of yours. We want to, talk about that.
He vaye. Here it is.
Bavkê min, heywan dihat di dohr a, rehmet, rehmetlî bavê... My father, animals used to come to milk, mercy, the late father...
Gu, yê wir re, mala kîlkî, me zengîn in, mala Selmê. Mala Gunpê. Di gund da, mixtar in. He said, there, the Kilki family, we are rich, the Selme family. The Gunpe family. In the village, they are the mukhtar.
Jê derxistin, ingilîz... fransiz... çend sal di malên ma de bûn. Expelled him, the English... the French... were in our houses for several years.
Ê na giştime, emrê min heftê, û heftê, wa yarim. Ah I haven't reached it, my age is seventy, and seventy, well a half.
Na seet de te... dîroka heftê salî ye ez zanim. No hour you... a history of seventy years I know.
Ê temam... Ah okay...
Lî vir in e... bavê min, go... çar ermenî teslîm kirin, tirko qewitandin... Here it is... my father, said... four Armenians surrendered, the Turks expelled them...
Qewitandin çar... qurnê duyan... e, diçin, didu mirin, ah na va çolî me çûne. Expelled four... the second horn... eh, they go, two died, ah they went to the wilderness.
Li deşt, mekteba wa şortin, Geliya Mîra be, eva, mala Salmî ye wir. In the plain, their school is closed, it's Geliya Mira, this is, the Salmi house there.
De wir da veşartin... They hid there...
Aîleya... The family...
Mala Salmî ne. Mala, Selîman, Haco, Selîman Haco... They are the Salmi family. The family of, Seliman, Haco, Seliman Haco...
Xişkê Haco, Selîman Haco, Xişkê Haco, Eklê Haco, miçê, haçû. Xishke Haco, Seliman Haco, Xishke Haco, Ekle Haco, mice, hacu.
Em çor, bira bûn, pêşiyo me bûn... gişa jê bûn e. We four, were brothers, they were before us... all were from it.
E ermenî... bavkê min, di bê, îlo, yê wir ma mazin bû me re diçe bîne berxê, mezin bûne... Those Armenians... my father, says, today, the one there was big for us, he goes to bring the lamb, they grew up...
Mezin bûne, da we, ew qehmeq tû bike em ji mara naşo. Ne go bavê çûn. De feterin. They grew up, give it to you, that fool spits we won't wash it for us. Don't say father left. They think.
Êk hesina ti kirî, ew ên sûnet kirî... ev ê jî bîstî, pismamê min ki me, miçê, alû... One made of iron you did, those circumcised... this also twenty, my cousin did me, mice, alu...
Di bê yekî ermenî... bi nayê hene, wekê îslam bikî. Na ko jin... di bê em navê ta çêlinîn. He says one Armenian... there is no bringing, to make him a Muslim. No if woman... he says we will make your name.
Em navê ta çêlinîn. Manê na ko jin. We will make your name. Meaning no if woman.
Yê ermenî wek da bî... The Armenian was like that...
Ah mezin, sênad, kirin du du jî mirin, hin da mektebe va şortin. Ah big, document, they did two also died, they hid some in the school.
Hev nav ermenî ne? Are these names Armenian?
Ê ermenî, yo rim. Ev wa heb şam ek tam ev wê jor in. Yes Armenian, you see. These were pills of Sham completely these are up there.
Belê. Yes.
E xalo... dema ji we da raderketin ne... ne got em hene tirbên xwe de ji ê... ji vi tirbana. Eh auntie... when they emerged from you no... didn't they say we are in our graves from eh... from these graves.
Namariyek diyari tê da na gu em ci darxim xwedî bibin? Doesn't an immortal present in it say we what to extract to have it?
Hiiy, yarm, wo, do xê... tirka, çi hiştin lê ew ê... da qewitin. Hiiy, half, oh, he milked... the Turks, what did they leave for him... they expelled him.
Xa çi ji me ne. Çîk ji serî, galiyê... şiyaye tenê. What is it from us. The chick from the head, the valley... went alone.
O pey, bavkê min kî tê... mixtar e cî, pereyê xu heyane... di yî geliş heye... Oh behind, my father comes... he is the mukhtar too, has his money... sees there's a conflict...
Perey xu kîte... di gundaxêk dîn e... His money he gives... in a crazy village...
Ber dore kê, Whose turn was it,
Dore gulê ye, ê Lûrke ye, ez nizanim. Yes.
Dore gulê ye, ê Lûrke ye, ez nizanim. It's Gulê's turn, Lûrke's, I don't know.
De ha nega, gîş in bavê min ha wilo di.. So yeah, all of them my father like this..
De bê welle Then say well
Mehmedê Gompo gotî yarim vaye qando qewînin dîn pêşî mile espê nîştin. Mehmedê Gompo said "oh my dear, the gendarmes are tough, they first shot the horse."
Dîn an pîşe. They shot the front.
Hot Then
Pe to me tê xilme. At the end we...
De vê ha wisa da, de bê Aş Aso îskender e, Mehdok istera wî e. Te qebûl dikî? Gotiya hezî qebûl kim, yarim te na tîyê min e. So like this, so say "Aş Aso is Iskender, Mehdok is his mule. Do you accept?" He said "I will accept, my dear, she's my aunt."
Dî dî ne, mezin dikî.. And then, raising..
Êm xwe de bê 8 daq da we dido Ourselves... 8 times, hit and 2
Navê xwe Merem e, Mêrem e. Her name is Merem, Mêrem.
Belê. Yes.
Êlhê mi, Hin a xeber da So, then someone brought news
Nizanim ber radyoyê I don't know, from the radio
Go qîzkeke Malê Selmê Mezin kirine warin bibin. He said "a girl from Malê Selmê Mezin has been raised, come and take her."
Him. Hmm.
Hat in. They came.
Lihê a na, aş me mad in ê, me mad in ê bi zor e bir in. Then, no, the mill we stayed, we stayed, by force they took her.
Ê. Yes.
Bir in. They took her.
Elmim. Anyway.
Gulkê min, go, yarim My Gulkê, he said, my dear
Bavê min a wisa, ne gî My father like this, not all
Erdê me tirka girt bir in, Our land, the Turks took and brought,
Ger, 2 çadir li wir vekir tim o gerî tine ye. Tour, 2 tents they pitched there and touring, nothing.
Go 2 salo 3 salo dewletê hisabê xwe nake, pêra dakat in ber deştê. They say for 2 or 3 years the state doesn't care, they went down to the plain.
Belê. Yes.
Dê dê dê têl in xwe vadan. Then, then, then they took their wires.
Bi ker e to in digeran dim be ker e. With donkeys they were wandering, with donkeys.
To in didan esker e. They were giving them to the soldiers.
Sifên diçûn serê sînor da didanê. Menei, îş nîşinin. They would go to the border and give them. Meaning, they don't do work.
Menei hûdud zap kin, tirka. Meaning they secure the border, the Turks.
Him. Hmm.
Yarim, binê însanê berê tifaxt bûn. My dear, look, the people of the past were united.
Eskerek tê der da bê, lo em melle bin.. têl e va nan... A soldier comes out and says, "Let's be mullahs... they lay wires..."
Lo go me ne em tê de 5 salan em hudud wisa kin.. Go dîkî we ware ba têl e bikujin. He says "we don't, we will secure the border for 5 years like this.." He says "come and lay your wires, kill them."
Eskerî qurmanc bû. The soldier was Kurmanji.
Him. Hmm.
Gotî qebûl nakin. He said "they won't accept."
Bine. Eskerî rincî te heye yarim. See. The soldier has a rank, my dear.
Ha wa eskerî Kurmanc dinav Tirka da bîn? Ah, so there were Kurmanji soldiers among the Turks?
Lûy! Têra ne. Min dora min dît, min vira da nêkir. Yes! A lot of them. I saw my turn, I didn't look there.
Him. Hmm.
Lûy! Elmim, Yes! Anyway,
Hal ev me hal e, yarim bavê This is our situation, my dear father
Bira kêm in bavê mi da go da 6 mal bîn, bîn da di mal. My brothers were few, my father said there were 6 families, there were 2 families.
Malê Mamadê paşê mamelat in a. Mamad's family later had dealings.
Him. Hmm.
Bes malê Alkî Betê, berî malê wirin in. Only Alkî Bet's family, before they take the families.
Bavê kî me ha we lida. U malê My father's family was like this. And the family
Malê Selmkî Hacû paşê in. Nene Selmkî Hacû's family is later. Grandmother
Sê çar aîle, hot in paşê a, gi wuk, rasti kiçik tev, nûf.. Three or four families, came later, all like, truly small all together, population..
Yanî wextê da e miştaf am kirî, te dibêje kû... So when they made an agreement, you're saying that...
Hezkirin heye. There was love.
Hezkirin hebî noka tîneye. There was love, now there isn't.
Tineye yarim, hezkirin noka kûk tineye. There isn't my dear, love now doesn't exist at all.
Çima noka tineye? Why isn't there any now?
Tineye wisa e, baran lê nake. There isn't like that, it doesn't rain on it.
Yanî heq qet te bê emane. Axwe bigirnim. Lo pere mara xelas nakin. Nakin. I mean truly, you'd say let's stay safe. I'll take it. But money doesn't save us. It doesn't.
Kefen, li xwe dikin kesekî barîk pê wa heye? Shrouds, they wear it, does anyone have anything thin with it?
Na na. No no.
Welehîl azîm şe’bê berê xê barana lê dikir bereket e By God Almighty, the people of the past, the rain fell on them with blessings.
Em diçûn meser e, We would go to the harvest,
Me bal e daves in. Di tenekada hat in. We would put the bags. It came in tins.
Te de zeytûn yanî diçolî zeytûnê? You mean olives, right? The olive harvest?
Zeytûnê lê, çolî zeytûn a. Olives yes, the olive harvest.
Ê Yes
Noka, tenekekî nadin me. Ço baranê lê ke? Now, they don't even give us a tin. Why would it rain on it?
Te... You...
Bin e milat guh xwe hingiya e... Look, the nation's ears are still...
Ez zanim ewa tiştakî dikin. I know they do something.
Wextê mene baran lê ke, When it means the rain falls,
Bi tenekewan da xwe dikin li teneke dixin, ewan çi dikin? They wear tins and beat on the tins, what are they doing?
Erebanê dixeçtin yarim, yan e me berê Erebanê dixeşin be The Arabs would be annoyed, my dear, meaning we used to annoy the Arabs.
Mewsûd dixwend in, bi Kirmancî defterekî dest xwe lê me dabî dixwend axweyekî... Pê Mihemed bûn. They would read mawlid, in Kurmanji, a notebook in their hands, we would read a bit... For Muhammad.
Wan xwendibû. They had read.
E qeçkê noka li teneka dixin ji baranê çê lê ke? These girls now beat on tins, what does it do for the rain?
Erebanê dixeş tin, didin be ta. They annoyed the Arabs, giving them fever.
Lê. Yes.
Ê çima noka li teneka dixin? Mefa neke abo de çi. So why do they beat on tins now? I don't understand what it does.
Li tena. Cinî noka nizanin, nizan xwendin, bes mela mara bixwîne. Me, qeçkê mi, me şandin cindere ser 4 sal a ptanê bîn ge... Mi ragî yarim bixwînin. The tins. Women now don't know, they don't know how to read, only the mullah reads for us. We, my girls, we sent them to school for 4 years... I said "my dear, read."
Him. Bes bixwîne. Hmm. Only read.
Isteza digo "lo tê çi isit e, te çixwez isitoz hez dikî?" The teacher would say "Oh, what do you want, what do you want teacher, you like?"
Min digo "Sale gundî me mi xami derkevin astas derkevin", bi mer e bin. Milo peş kaman e. I said "This year our villagers should graduate, go up levels", be with men. Only advanced people.
Yu in derê ber pey, yanî zane ye emna bin, You step at the door, meaning the wise, we shouldn't be,
Nizane bes dibe ha tîn bixwim û xilas. Lo cîranî me ra birçî bîn o maş e. Don't know, just say "I'll bring it and eat it and that's it." Oh, our neighbors were hungry and whatever.
Welehê bê hevdû hez kin daxwez e bin, barana e lê kî, By God, if they love each other and wish for it, the rain will fall on it,
Bereket pir e. Blessings are abundant.
Hezkirin çi berî giye ye. Love is before everything.
E hêncî aze yarim... And so this is it, my dear...
Saheta te xwaş Xalo, spasîya te dikim. Health to you Uncle, I thank you.
Gundekî gelekî xweşik e. Bêhne tiştên kevn divê derê da heye. It's a very beautiful village. There is a smell of old things here.
Di her, em bêjin, kulanekî vê derê, wê tiştên kevn tebîbîne, malên kevn. In every, let's say, street of this place, you'll see old things, old houses.
Bîhniya tiştên kevn, û zemanê berê te. The smell of old things, and of the old times comes.
Ez Rûliyan Hec Ahmed me, û îro jive xelekê ji gundê Çeqelê Horta li gel wa bûm. I am Rûliyan Hec Ahmed, and today in this episode I was with you from the village of Çeqelê Horta.